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Haruhi Suzumiya fanfic idea
by Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
at May 29th, 2008 (03:26 pm)

Haruhi/Kyon FST?

- Barenaked ladies - "Falling for the first time"
- SR-71 - "Right Now"
- Feist - "1 2 3 4"
- White Stripes - "Fell In Love With A Girl"
- Blink 182 "I'm Feeling This"
- Eve 6 "Inside out"
- Chris Cornell - "Can't Change Me"
- Cake "short skirt long jacket"
- Paul Simon "Diamonds on the Souls of Her Shoes"
- Magnetic Fields "I'm Sorry That I Love You"
- The New Pornographers "Mass Romantic"
- Tal Bachman "She's So High"

note: find songs for Haruhi, not just Kyon


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one-liner: haruhi write a book? he could see where that is going. she'd do 300 pages in four days and then hell would

plot idea:

Kyon and haruhi get closer, and Kyon is put under more pressure by the SOS Brigade. He feels overwhelmed and starts to resent the situation. He realizes he wants to date Haruhi outright, but being around her and lying, as well as having to be her "keeper" feels like a betrayal and manipulation of the trust she's only reluctantly shown him. He knows their relationship is unequal.

He starts to crack under the pressure, and decides, finally, to tell Haruhi The Truth. About everything: what the SOS Brigade really does (monitor her) and who she really is, and his part in it. The others try to interfere, but eventually Kyon succeeds in telling Haruhi what's really going on.

Things start to fall apart, and the others think the world is ending. Haruhi traps herself in enclosed space, and Itsuki can't get in. He gets Kyon, and when Kyon touches the wall he is instantly swallowed up, pulled inward. He finds Haruhi, talks to her, and she is having a divine moment. He tells her what she's doing to the world, and asks her to stop and let go. Finally he gets through to her. Kyon tries to say that he had to tell her because he loves her, but she stops him mid-confession. She says she understands---everything. EVERYTHING. She tells him to close his eyes, and mimics their first kiss, making the world disappear around him.

Kyon wakes up in his bed, and it's a school morning, but when he gets to school, everything is different. He has two sets of memories. He tries to talk to Haruhi but she is put-off; he never talked to her before, not all year, so why is he acting like they're friends? There's no such thing as the SOS Brigade. Yuki, Itsuki, and Mikiru are just regular students, and they never were friends with him either, and they don't know what he's talking about with the aliens and ESPers etc. Kyon realizes that Haruhi remade the world--so that she wasn't a god at all. She was just a normal girl, although one with a highly active imagination and an abrasive personality. Kyon remembers the old world and this new set of memories.

He asks her out, she refuses, but he's not worried because he knows her well and realizes that it will all work out. She complains about being bored so he suggests she start a club. His other set of memories begin to fade.

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Posted by: Lee of the (rasielle)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 02:39 am (UTC)
only true

His other set of memories begin to fade.

Don't do it! Seriously, those memory loss/alteration storylines are the most tragic OUT THERE when they're not cheaply won by car crashes, failed surgeries, bumping heads on water fountains, [insert soap opera cliche here]. Totally tragic! Too tragic!

... and by that I mean, it would make a memorable if heartwrenching and painful read and you should definitely do it. It's a really interesting idea, though the end of one of the episodes implies that Kyon is actually close to telling Haruhi the truth without the pressure of a serious relationship. It was the broadcasted finale, which you watched as Episode 6 (I think), and in any case, it's the Sleeping Beauty-based episode. I don't know how seriously one can consider Kyon's "I think I'll tell her all about it", though.

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
reply part 1
Origin of Love

But it wouldn't be bad! It'd actually be a happy ending. I'd work some human drama into it in the middle, because I like the idea of using the S.O.S. brigade's "special" members as either villains or heroes as the plot requires-- that's what the anime does, and it gives us a lot of freedom. Because they're so one-dimensional also accountable to no other characters, you really can do anything with them.

This idea would be happy, because the memory loss would be more like the epilogue, and the main fic would lead up to it. The idea would be that Kyon would tell her the truth about her reality (which I think is inevitable at some point given Kyon's character) and do so out of an act of love/trust. Whether friendship or romantic love doesn't matter, not really, because I think he's just such a sober, realistic, and (though far from perfect) ultimately decent person that eventually, whether it was about romance or not, he'd feel morally obligated as her friend to come clean, and he'd lose perspective about the consequences of his actions. The other three, however, would not lose perspective and see this for the danger that it is. I think this would happen inevitably if he knew Haruhi long enough, but I just like to give it that romantic angle too.

And everything bad would start to happen, at first, but ultimately Kyon's trust is proven correct, because Haruhi doesn't destroy the world. She remakes it into a world where she isn't special, where she has no powers and no providence, just like she always feared. She'd willfully choose that because
a) she trusts Kyon that the world is good and worth keeping,
b) she looks at herself and realizes she can't "live" like a human and willfully control her powers without hurting others,
c) she wants to be with Kyo to reciprocate his feelings, and she wants to do so in this world, as Kyo sees it.

She's remaking the world for him, but for herself too, and in the way that complies with Kyon's judgment of it being valuable/not valuable for living in. So she eliminates her own godhood and with it her memories, and she gives the other three normal lives, but she leaves Kyon with memories-- at least for a little while. Long enough for him to seek her out again. In her moments of enlightened omniscience she would know that he would seek her out and that then she could fall in love with him again.

See? Happy ending. You have to strip away the mystery, but the lesson for Haruhi, the choice she makes as a god, is to choose Kyon's world over the option of making her own. I think, given what the series has shown in terms of her obsession with him and his perspective of her "world" (the club, her behavior, her hair, her philosophy, her espers and time travellers and aliens), and looking at the conversation they have in episode 6/14 where Kyon argues for the sake of the world as he knows it, I can see how she'd choose Kyon's world. She puts a lot of faith in his judgment, for god knows what reason. Maybe just because she sees in him a reflection of herself and her own frustrations. So if he, feeling bored like herself, will still choose the "boring" regular world, there must be value there, and it must be worth choosing.

Posted by: Lee of the (rasielle)
Posted at: June 13th, 2008 01:35 am (UTC)
... this is veeery late, so is finals week even a suitable excuse?

This fic idea... the more you talk about it, the more I want to see it. I know that I didn't reply to this immediately and that I really should've, but are you still planning to write it? Be careful about saying 'yes', because once you commit, I will bother you about it.

What immediately saddened me about the idea - aside from my personal fear of the memory-loss motif, which hits me hardest - was thinking about what kind of changes it would mean for the Brigade and what would be "lost" - and then it occurred to me that, hey, nothing would be, beside the conspiratorial conversations about Haruhi's godlihood. Haruhi would still be crazy about aliens-time-travelers-espers and they'd still have crazy club antics, Kyon's affectionate sarcasm, and even Mikuru in that dumb bunny suit every now and then. It wouldn't be that different, though it'd probably be less dangerous.

It's also rather amazing that Haruhi can trust her relationship with Kyon to the extent that lets her erase it so that can rebuild itself. I questioned for a moment why she'd have to go that far when she can just eliminate everyone's powers without changing the entire situation, but then again, that'd hardly be fair of her, would it; their powers would mean different things to them than what Haruhi's mean to her, and she would know it. (If you can't tell, I don't really plan what I type, I think as I type, not the best approach to things.) So I'm left to conclude that the situation you end with is inseparable from the situation you'd start with, referring to the plot bunny. So maybe there is no choice but to erase everything.

But the fading set of memories. ;_; No matter what you say, it still sounds incredibly, incredibly sad - it makes the best lesson, yes, and passes the best message, but it's still sad. I thought it was touching that Haruhi would leave Kyon to remember everything while she even alters herself, trusting him the way he trusts that she wouldn't destroy the world. Would his losing those memories mean that he forgets everything, including Haruhi's decision to remake the world? And anyway, maybe losing his old set of memories wouldn't have to be so deliberate, like a conscious part of Haruhi's plan; it sounds like it'd happen naturally, as Haruhi's remade world makes him forget (partially) the way things used to be.

... this is a really great fic idea. When it came to fic and Melancholy of Haruhi, I never really thought beyond 'crossovers' - though you have to admit, she's a wild card for crossovers. She can do literally anything to any series' plot, and it would make sense. I don't know enough about Doctor Who to tell you what she would do if ever met him (aside from implode from excitement, unconsciously cause several natural disasters worldwide, and make Kyon his waiting boy), but maybe he might see Rose again.

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: June 13th, 2008 02:31 am (UTC)
Re: ... this is veeery late, so is finals week even a suitable excuse?
Bite me. -Toph

I think it's not so much what Haruhi would do meeting the Doctor, but what the Doctor would do meeting Haruhi. The Doctor, while he believes in truth and freedom and justice and Christmas and puppies, is also pragmatic and cynical and cruel enough to think "better she go on living normally and happily than turn into a crazy time & space-bending deity" even if it means denying Haruhi's true self. It's part of his Time Lord superiority complex that means always thinking you know better than other people what truth and freedom and justice and Christmas and puppies actually means...which is why the show always gives him one or two human companions to "humanize" the alienness. Nevertheless, he'd probably go positively giddy at the idea that someone like Haruhi exists, since he'd view her as a mildly dangerous but terribly fascinating science project. Also something new, which is rare for him. ...Of course, all that depends on WHICH incarnation of the Doctor we're talking about. Since they can be wildly different in certain aspects from series to series. I'm familiar with Eight, Nine and Tenth Doctors. Eight would be infatuated (in a geeky science way, not a romantic way) and want to pick Haruhi's brain, Nine would be wary, vaguely suspicious, but intrigued, and Ten would be torn between "This is so cool!" and "Should I do something to make sure she doesn't destroy the universe? Is this going to Be A Problem?"

Of course, you don't know the characters yet, but it's fun to speculate. I can imagine something happening that both the Doctor and the SOS Brigade would try to investigate.

I wonder if I could combine the two? Like, maybe it's a hole between space/time or something, and the Doctor (and Rose?) investigate because the hole pulls the Doctor's ship toward it... and then a bunch of adventuring and it turns out Haruhi created the hole in the universe, and this is what prompts Kyon to tell Haruhi the truth, because they have no way of stopping it except to ask her "Um, please stop." And I'm not sure waht the Doctor would contribute here, except maybe helps protect Kyon from the SOS Brigade (who, maybe, think it can be stopped by killing Haruhi? ...there could be defections in this case, by at least one of the SOS brigade) long enough for Kyon to reach Haruhi. And they talk. And she ascends, then sends the Doctor back to his universe, then remakes her own universe.


Hm.... I'd have to run this by my DW flist fans.

Posted by: Lee of the (rasielle)
Posted at: June 13th, 2008 03:05 am (UTC)
Re: ... this is veeery late, so is finals week even a suitable excuse?

Of course, all that depends on WHICH incarnation of the Doctor we're talking about. Since they can be wildly different in certain aspects from series to series.

Yeah, looking at references to the series from an outsiders' perspectives, the numbered Doctors have always baffled me. Young Barty Crouch's actor played Tenth, right? And is that the one you ship with Rose?

And I'm not sure waht the Doctor would contribute here, except maybe helps protect Kyon from the SOS Brigade (who, maybe, think it can be stopped by killing Haruhi? ...there could be defections in this case, by at least one of the SOS brigade)

Well, I don't think that ultimately the Brigade would risk it, since there's no saying what would occur if Haruhi died; it's less murky what would happen if she proceeded to destroy the world. Itsuki would probably consider it, Mikuru - torn between being a pacifist and not allowing the world to end - probably wouldn't give a straight answer, and Yuki might objectively settle the subject by calculating that there'd be less risks in keeping her alive and seeking an alternative - or something like that.

As for the Doctor, maybe he'd plant the idea in Haruhi via private discussion of some sort? He's probably capable of verbally manipulating her, especially by mentioning Kyon. Maybe he'd be the one to subtly ask her to stop, since I'm pretty sure the others wouldn't do it (excepting Kyon, maybe).

I really like the hole idea, though - it sounds like something that would come out of the series itself. Maybe Haruhi would make the hole with her emotions, because Kyon told her the truth?

Heheh, does this mean you're going to write it?

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: June 13th, 2008 03:36 am (UTC)
Re: ... this is veeery late, so is finals week even a suitable excuse?
Bright Imperious Line - Zuko/Katara

I never guarantee! Plus, I'm still writing Lucid. And a billion ATLA fics.

Well, I don't think that ultimately the Brigade would risk it, since there's no saying what would occur if Haruhi died; it's less murky what would happen if she proceeded to destroy the world.

Um, I don't think you worded that properly. Destroying the world is definite result, Haruhi's death is an unpredictable result. In that situation, I would at least expect their respective organizations to choose death of Haruhi, since the alternative is a definite death of the universe. Itsuki already implied that his organization was considering it, and Yuki's alien organization appears to be a loose canon with its agents. Whether some, all, or none of the three would agree or not, I don't know. While I think they all sympathize and care for Kyon and Haruhi to a degree, they as characters are so shrouded and mysterious that you can't rule out something convincing them otherwise, if they really believed it was the only thing they could do to stop disaster.

Anyway, that idea worked better with my previous idea. I don't think it would work the same way with a crossover.

As for the Doctor, maybe he'd plant the idea in Haruhi via private discussion of some sort? He's probably capable of verbally manipulating her, especially by mentioning Kyon. Maybe he'd be the one to subtly ask her to stop, since I'm pretty sure the others wouldn't do it (excepting Kyon, maybe).

I kind of like the idea of Mikuru and Itsuki choosing the negative option and Yuki defecting... Mikuru because she's the most mysterious and unexplained, and one can easily play wiht her character. How much of her behavior is real? What is she really prepared to do to prevent alterations in the timeline that erase her own future existence? And Itsuki, because fanaticism is two-edged sword. If he really Believes in one way, in trusting Kyon to trust Haruhi, then the right logical argument could make him flip and Believe otherwise. Especially since for most of the show the Espers are almost powerless, and are forced to trust that nothing bad will happen.

That's a possibility, but it would get in the way of Kyon doing it. On the other hand, there's a lot of ways to bring The Doctor into a situation and keep him occupied. Especially if you're dealing with varying levels of who has what information. But I probably wouldn't do that anyway because the tradition of the newer show is that the Doctor actually facilitates and inspires the people around him to save the world more often than doing so himself.

The Doctor is super at verbal manipulation, yep.

Anyway, this whole plot barely makes sense. I would have to start again. I'm not sure these two ideas can be merged this way. It requires...pondering.

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: June 13th, 2008 03:38 am (UTC)
NOTE

Please ignore me when I TOTALLY BUTCHER CHARACTER NAMES, please. I just see them in front of me but rarely imagine how their names are spelled.

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: June 13th, 2008 02:41 am (UTC)
Re: ... this is veeery late, so is finals week even a suitable excuse?
Dragon lives forever-- not so little gir

What immediately saddened me about the idea - aside from my personal fear of the memory-loss motif, which hits me hardest - was thinking about what kind of changes it would mean for the Brigade and what would be "lost" - and then it occurred to me that, hey, nothing would be, beside the conspiratorial conversations about Haruhi's godlihood. Haruhi would still be crazy about aliens-time-travelers-espers and they'd still have crazy club antics, Kyon's affectionate sarcasm, and even Mikuru in that dumb bunny suit every now and then. It wouldn't be that different, though it'd probably be less dangerous.

Exactly, yeah. It's sad to lose the magic, but that's a bit of what growing up means. You learn to make your own magic with what you have. Ultimately that's what Haruhi has done with the SOS brigade anyway. (the joke being that it's all real) From her pov, little would change. But I think the memories would have to go, too.

1) because it's not fair to the other members, especially since I thought it was implied that they only appeared/became special as a result of her, so maybe it'd be a blessing to undo what she did to them in the first place (essentially forcing them to be her guarddogs and devote their existence to her)

2)perspective and belief is important with metaphysical things. You can't remember being a god and NOT be god... presumably, if she *knew* she had once been a god then ultimately her powers would come back and she'd be back where she started. You have to start COMPLETELY OVER, because you can't do half-way. Things tend to revert to what they were, if you don't finish the job. You have to change the belief to match the form.


I thought it was touching that Haruhi would leave Kyon to remember everything while she even alters herself, trusting him the way he trusts that she wouldn't destroy the world. Would his losing those memories mean that he forgets everything, including Haruhi's decision to remake the world? And anyway, maybe losing his old set of memories wouldn't have to be so deliberate, like a conscious part of Haruhi's plan; it sounds like it'd happen naturally, as Haruhi's remade world makes him forget (partially) the way things used to be.

I like the idea of it being a gradual, vague thing. I think Haruhi would leave Kyon with memories as a "back door" so to speak in case it doesn't work the way she wants, and also because, in the meta sense from the author's POV, Kyon is the keeper of Haruhi's story. He already is, so this would be a natural extension of that. And if Kyon was the only person to Tell Her The Truth, then she would trust him even more.

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 03:20 am (UTC)
reply part 2
Origin of Love



though the end of one of the episodes implies that Kyon is actually close to telling Haruhi the truth without the pressure of a serious relationship.

Actually, here's where the viewing order dramatically changes our concept of events. Seeing all the episodes in order, I never took that claim seriously, at least not in the sense of telling her about her own godhood. He doesn't even tell her about the dream, and he willfully rejects (or tries to) participating in her self-created fantasies for the sheer spite of knowing they will happen anyway. He doesn't worry about Haruhi choosing to end the world; no matter how much Itsuki hassles him, he puts it out of his mind and treats Haruhi as Haruhi, just like in his sepia-toned flashback in that dramatic scene where he says that to him, Haruhi is Haruhi and nothing else.

Following events chronologically means I have a clear view of both Haruhi and Kyon's progression in a linear sense, in terms of their relationship. Kyon and Haruhi in episode 6, in the shared "dream", have changed by the time they get to episode 14, with the rain. Not hugely, but in some ways significantly, a lot of which has to do with the island episodes, I think, and just gradual changes. She doesn't listen to him at all in the beginning of the series, she listens to him somewhat by the time you have the baseball episode, and in the video game episode she gives his opinion a lot more deference. By the time you get to episode 14 she doesn't even try to deal with his opinion on photographing Miriku-- rather than argue with him (and possibly get convinced to give in), she sends him away to avoid the discussion. Haruhi has become aware of her own vulnerability to him, and is treating him differently because of it.

Kyon too has changed, though I think for him the events were different. Even though he had a nonverbal non-reaction to the concert, I think it really made him see her in a new light: because of her talent, and because of her own frustrations/vulnerability on the subject of musical aspirations and talent and hobbies. She feels inadequate and frustrated like normal people. It reinforces his view of her as a person--as Haruhi the person--as being more important/real/valuable than viewing her as a god or a scientific anomoly.


While the eccentric order makes for more dramatic tv (episode 6/14 certainly was the dramatic highlight of the series), it distorts character development progression. If you ever consider rewatching it, I recommend the chronological way just so you have the other experience. The cat's a bit out of the bag for me to watch it out of order, since I won't be surprised except maybe to gain insight into what a lot of other fans saw.

I almost wish I'd seen it the original way, but I'm not sad I saw it chronologically. I like feeling like I understand how characters progress, and of course I like things in order. :D Books especially, but all canon really.

Posted by: Lee of the (rasielle)
Posted at: June 13th, 2008 01:59 am (UTC)
Re: reply part 2
ani-analyst

Hmmm, just for the experience, if you ever rewatch it, try doing so in the broadcasting order, just for the effect. (it does make for dramatic TV, episode 6 makes for a grand last episode)

she doesn't even try to deal with his opinion on photographing Miriku-- rather than argue with him (and possibly get convinced to give in), she sends him away to avoid the discussion.

You're right! Heheh, Haruhi is hopeless. It's been a while, but I'm pretty sure it's difficult to catch this when you watch the episodes out of order; when it's out of sequence and therefore chaotic, you don't think of any linear progression at all. It all looks sporadic; I remember thinking that it was a matter of moods, Haruhi rejecting Kyon's opinion when she was excited enough and considering his opinion when she was calmer. Anyway, that's just what it looked like. >_>

And now I'm convinced that I have to rewatch this in order, which I will have looaaaads of time for now that summer's here. *rubs hands together* Goodbye, beautiful sunshine, palm trees, and non-filtered oxygen...

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 04:06 am (UTC)
speaking of gods...
Shigure loves his popsicles

What would happen if Haruhi met The Doctor? Or if the Doctor discovered Haruhi? ::cackle:: My brain can't even handle the magnitude of the idea.

Posted by: Lee of the (rasielle)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 04:27 pm (UTC)
Re: speaking of gods...

You might have your cake again...

Can you believe I still haven't seen that show? I would much rather see it on the TV screen than find it online, but I have yet to find DVD's of the earlier seasons at any rental place. Think I should coerce my parents to purchase it?

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: May 30th, 2008 05:26 pm (UTC)
Re: speaking of gods...
Bite me. -Toph

Netflix and blockbuster do mail-order DVDs. Also, you might be able to request/order something from your local rental place.

THere's tons of places where it's available online; that's how I watched the first three seasons, before the DVDs were out and before it aired on the SciFi channel.

I would, if I were you, try renting/downloading at least the first episode or two before you purchase it. But just in case you end up not liking it. (THOUGH YOU WILL LOVE IT)

Posted by: Rashka the Demon (wolf in the cave) (rashaka)
Posted at: June 10th, 2008 08:22 am (UTC)
Origin of Love

I got a song stuck on my winamp player loop and I had to go turn it into a Haruhi drabble at The Pit.

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